July 02, 2005

Shasta Groene Found Alive

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The weblog of a killer: Joseph Duncan's personal webpage reveals sick mind and illusions of demonic possesion.

UPDATE 7/06: Groene family did not know Duncan.

Affidavit claims Shasta repeatedly molested, recounts horrible ordeal.

UPDATE 7/05: Videotape of Shasta Groene in a convenience store shortly before she was found here. Criminal information on Joseph Duncan Below.

Latest news:

A convicted sex offender accused of kidnapping Shasta and Dylan Groene (search) was due in court on Tuesday, as authorities awaited lab results that might confirm their fears the 9-year-old boy is dead.

"Possible" human remains were found at site in western Montana that authorities searched on Monday for signs of the missing boy. The grim news cast a cloud over the joyful reunion of Shasta, 8, and her father, seven weeks after she and her brother disappeared and her mother and two men were found brutally murdered.

Kootenai County Sheriff Rocky Watson said the remains were being sent to the FBI crime lab in Quantico, Va., for DNA analysis, which was expected to take three days.

Watson declined to answer questions, but the fact that he called a press conference at the place where reporters were following the Groene story indicated officials believe the remains were related.

"Unfortunately we believe Dylan to be deceased," Sheriff's Capt. Ben Wolfinger said after Watson's announcement. Shasta told authorities her brother was dead after she was found.

But family members said until there was proof Dylan was dead, they would continue to hope he would be found alive like Shasta was.

"At this point we don't have a confirmation. Until we do have a confirmation, our family is holding out hope that Dylan is still out there and needs to be found," Wendy Price, an aunt, told FOX News.

Information on Shasta Groene's abductor, Joseph Duncan, from the North Dakota Sex Offenders webpage run by the ND Attorney General. OFFENDER IS DELINQUENT is in big print on web-page.

Demographic Information:
Date of Birth: 02/25/63
Sex: MALE
Race: WHITE
Height: 6-01
Weight: 150
Eyes: BLUE
Hair: BROWN

Residence Address:
KOOTENAI COUNTY JAIL
5500 N GOVERNMENT WAY
COEUR D'ALENE, ID 83815

Registration Information:
Expiration Date: Lifetime
Last Address Verification: 07/05/05

OFFENSES
1ST DEGREE RAPE - DUNCAN RAPED A 14 YEAR OLD BOY AT GUNPOINT. HE BURNED THE VICTIM WITH A CIGARETTE AND MADE THE VICTIM BELIEVE HE WAS GOING TO BE KILLED BY FIRING THE GUN TWICE ON EMPTY CHAMBERS. DUNCAN WAS TERMINATED FROM TREATMENT, SERVED A LENGTHY PRISON SENTENCE, WAS PAROLED, AND THEN ABSCONDED. DUNCAN HAD A LONG HISTORY OF SEXUAL AGGRESSION AS A YOUTH.
Conviction Date: 10/02/80
PIERCE CO, WA ,
Disposition: 20 YRS

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If you've had your head in the ground today then you'll want to know that 8-year-old Shasta Groene has been found alive six weeks after the grusome murder of her mom, mom's boyfriend, and her 13-year-old older brother. Dylan Groene is still missing and presumed dead but cops aren't certain that Dylan is dead or not.

There is some in-depth coverage about today's events at Conservative Thinking:
Shasta Groene Found; No Sign of Brother
Jumping into the Online Experience that was Joseph Edward Duncan III

There is going to be all kinds of news about this guy in the next few days. His rap sheet has been getting longer and longer by the day as authorities from the northwestern and north central United States report in to the media about what he's involved in.

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The Evil Fascist Loving Left

Dean Esmay has recently called for truth in labelling for those that embrace the insurgency. In that spirit, here are a few comments from reader's around the world. Especially important is the context in which these comments are made.

If you are a consumer of the more radical leftist media or much of the Arab press, you might be forgiven for believing the 'resistance' in Iraq is no different than any number of revolutionary movements--hence Michael Moore's Minutemen analogy. Further, the news you read would be full of alleged attrocities committed by U.S. soliders while such things as the intentional murder of civilians by the 'freedom fighters' would be downplayed or explained as a tiny minority of incidents.

If this was the news you were reading daily, you too would root for the Islamo-fascists in Iraq, because your perception of them would be quite different than reality. Hence, I have argued on this blog from day one that the Bush doctrine--that we will not distinguish between countries that support terrorists and the terrorists themselves--ought to be extended to media outlets as well. Any media outlet that openly supports those bent on creating a Taliban like state in Iraq are the enemy of the United States and legitimate targets in war.

Such was the case during WW II when Joseph Goebells, had he not taken his own life and the life of his wife and six children, would certainly have been tried and convicted of war crimes and crimes against humanity for his daily propaganda. It is also upon this principle which led to the conviction of Julius Streicher and for which he was hanged.

While such propaganda during times of peace may be seen as the price for an open society, the context of war changes everything. Words said in peace usually are harmless, but the same words during a shooting-war leads to death, destruction, and a continuation of hostilities.

What is the power of propaganda? I am convinced that most of the insurgents in Iraq actually believe they are fighting for a good cause. Further, they actually believe they are winning the long-term fight. If you were exposed to the daily propagandizing that they are exposed to, you might also. If we want to win we must convince those who may potentially go to Iraq to fight it is the insurgency that are the bad guys and that they are destined to fail.

Here is an example of a comment from a man who's IP address tracked to the Netherlands--which has a huge Muslim population and an even larger population of fascist apologists. What is so disgusting about the comment is the context in which it was given. The post described the taking of a Japanese hostage with an update that takes the reader to gruesome images of the dead man. Hans:

iraqi resistance has the right to defend thier land, what we see now is just the begining of long term fight..
Another comment from the same post, this one from Nicky, who's IP puts him/her somewhere near Atherton, CA:
i think the US is the real terrorist, and no matter what they do, this fight will never end, they are in for a more deadly and bloody Vietnam.
The so called terrorrist or insurgents are for me freedom fighters trying to free their land of occupying forces and they are doing well. for this to end the US must pull out of iraq because their main reason for going there is the oil and not WMD as claimed by bush. Shame to them!
Here's a comment from this post--a post with images of Abu Musab al Zarqawi cutting the head off a Bulgarian civilian. Even after seeing who and what the insurgents really are, Ionescu Iulian, from Romania, still thinks it is the Americans that are the bad guys:
YOU THE AMERICAN PIGS DESERVE WHAT THE GLORIOUS IRAQI FIGHTER FOR THE FREEDOM DO TO YOU> YOU BUSH IS A MURDERER>REMEMBER
The time has come to treat the Global War on Terror as TOTAL WAR. Such all out war would recognize enemy propaganda outlets for what they are--part of the machinery of war. If not, the jihadis will continue to raise money, recruit, and fight in Iraq.

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Documents Show Gitmo Inmates Defy U.S.

The press would have you believe that the Gitmo prisoners are docile and subservient victims being horribly brutalized by sadistic American soldiers. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Military authorities have previously disclosed some incidents of guard retaliation at Guantanamo Bay, which resulted in mostly minor disciplinary proceedings. What emerges from 278 pages of documents obtained by The Associated Press is the degree of defiance by the terrorism suspects at Guantanamo.

The prisoners banged on their cells to protest the heat. They doused guards with whatever liquid was handy — from spit to urine. Sometimes they struck their jailers, one swinging a steel chair at a military police officer.

Some prisoners at the U.S. base in eastern Cuba have gone on the attack, as in April 2003 when a detainee got out of his cell during a search for contraband food and knocked out a guard's tooth with a punch to the mouth and bit him before he was subdued by MPs. One soldier delivered two blows to the inmate's head with a handheld radio, the documents show.

In another case, an inmate threw a partially full urine bottle at an MP in May 2002, apparently because he believed the soldier had intentionally kicked his hospital bed. When the soldier threw the urinal back, the detainee grabbed a steel chair and swung it at guards before they subdued him.

Think about it, had these been American POWs in WWI, WWII, Korea, Viet Nam etc, they would have been shot or hanged. What's amazing and the real story here is the amount of restraint our boys have shown.

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July 01, 2005

Insert Fatwa -->HERE<-- (Do it yourself Festival of the Fatwas)

The following infidels, Zionist monkeys, and Crusador pigs get a fatwa for celebrating the Great Satan's anniversary! Click on the links below for blasphemy, heresy, and lies! Want to participate? Just link any of your most fatwa worthy posts to this post and send us a trackback. A fatwa will be issued below.

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Caption Contest

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Caption the above photo, get a fatwa!

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Howie's news roundup

So here are the things Howie found today. Submitted for your reading pleasure. And I wish people would stop calling with problems that aren't.

Iranian VP voice of '79 kidnappers.

Bush asks for fairness on Nominee to be named as early as next week.

Also we see that a team of special forces is still missing and the Taliban claims to hold at least one. This link may die quickly.

Iran progressing backwards??

A quick reversion of hard won social freedoms seems to be occuring right after that country's election.

full Story here.

David McCullough's 1776 exerpts. David has a new book out and they are reading exerpts each morning on NPR. Sounds pretty good. 102 Minutes on radio reader so far is pretty good. I was wondering if any of Osama's friends made the book.

Apparently Nancy Pelosi has upset several boggers while this is a bit stale it may still make for a good argument.

Captains quarters has a few things to say to start us off.

Full transcript of Ms. Pelosi's interview

Congress has cut funding for developers who use the recent Supreme Court Decision to push residents from homes. Like they will need it and this does not help small enterprise as far as I can tell.

Well that call I got sure put a cramp in my plan for deep editorial opinions. You may thank them below.

Have a fantastic weekend everyone and watch those fingies. But I like things that go boom.

UPDATE: Michelle Malkin is on effin fire today!!

Good news, civilian casualties DOWN in Iraq.

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Man in Iranian Hostage Photo Said Identified

Take it for what it's worth, but it does bolster the theory offered in this post.

Times Online:

But today, an reformist newspaper in Tehran, Shargh, said that the Iranian students shown in the photograph were JaÂ’afar Zaker, a militant who went on to die in the Iran-Iraq war, and a student known only as Ranjbaran, who was later executed for alleged links to an extreme opposition group.

As for the American hostage shown in the photograph, The Times learnt yesterday that he is Jerry J. Miele, who was working at a communications officer at the Embassy in 1979. Reached at his home today in Mount Pleasant, Pennsylvania, Mr Miele, 66, declined to comment on the photograph but said: "I don't have anything to say about the new President of Iran, I don't want to cause any trouble."

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Al Reuters Misleading Headline of the Day

No evidence yet Iran leader involved in 1979 siege

The article then goes on to list statements by the White House which amount to, "we're still looking into it", denials by the Iranians, and an interview with a former hostage who says he doesn't recall personally seeing Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, but he believes the others who say they did. Fair and balanced.

Related here and here.

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Fun With the Taliban

Ever want to e-mail a Taliban spokesman? You know, maybe find out his favorite color, which Beatles album he thinks is the best, or maybe what he thinks the prospects are for the AL taking the series this year.

Here are three e-mails from a pro-Talibam website with links to Mofti Latifollah Hakimi, spokesman for the 'Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan'. If you speak Pashtun, make sure to give him our best wishes!

alemarah@alemarah.com
alemarah1@yahoo.com
Khyber_safia@yahoo.com

As always, if you receive a reply, please FORWARD it to me immediately.

Interestingly enough, the website in question is registered to a man in Pakistan but is hosted on a Canadian server. Aren't there Canadian troops in Afghanistan fighting the Taliban today?

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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Photo Debunked: Hostages Still Adament Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Was Involved (UPDATED)

UPDATE: Scroll down for updates.

Two days ago Iran Focus alleged that the photo below was of Iranian President Elect Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. We, of course, jumped right on the story.

Yesterday watching Hardball with Chris Matthews, one of the former hostages--I believe it was Don Sharer-- denied that the man in the photo above was Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. But he claimed that he was 100% sure that Ahmadinejad was one of his captors, but that the photo above was not of Ahmadinejad. He said that Ahmadinejad was only around occasionally and seemed to be a leader of some sort when he did come around.

Oxrant was the first that I know of to attempt to debunk this. I should have linked to it yesterday but I was busy being sick. Look at the photo comparison which he gives here. (Click image below for close-up)

It looks as if the critics may be right on this one. It should be noted, though, that noses can change over time. My father's, for instance, who broke his nose several times and it never looked the same. But having said that, Oxrant's comparison does seem compelling.

But wait....there's more. Oxrant notices some Freepers doing their homework here. The image compares recent photos of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to another person in the 1979 AP photos. Look at the man in the turtleneck, just to the right of the person circled above.

Were we simply looking at the wrong man in the photo? Go check out Oxen's other photo comparisons. Here's another page with more of the same photo comparisons.

CRITICAL UPDATE: Take this for what it's worth, but it certainly seems relevant. Times Online:

But today, an reformist newspaper in Tehran, Shargh, said that the Iranian students shown in the photograph were JaÂ’afar Zaker, a militant who went on to die in the Iran-Iraq war, and a student known only as Ranjbaran, who was later executed for alleged links to an extreme opposition group.

As for the American hostage shown in the photograph, The Times learnt yesterday that he is Jerry J. Miele, who was working at a communications officer at the Embassy in 1979. Reached at his home today in Mount Pleasant, Pennsylvania, Mr Miele, 66, declined to comment on the photograph but said: "I don't have anything to say about the new President of Iran, I don't want to cause any trouble."

Here is part of the transcript from Hardball that I just found:
ANDREA MITCHELL:.... We have taken that picture, a number of pictures, in fact, to a former FBI photo expert, Chris. And he says that there is a less than 50 percent chance that the person in the photograph [ed: the one we highlighted two days ago] is the person that is now the president of Iran....

MATTHEWS: Let me ask you about the—the question is, though—let me ask you to take a look at the picture again. This is the president-elect. We‘re going to show you a picture of the president-elect of Iran. There he is, the man on the right [ed: recent photo of Ahmadinejad].

The man on the left [ed: old AP photo that we highlighted] in the monitor you‘re looking at, Mr. Sharer, is someone who has been mentioned as someone who was close to you, who was one of the captors. It‘s really not important. But does the man on the left look like the man on the right you? And is the man on the left the man you remember as well?

SHARER: Yes. The man on the right [Ed: recent photo of Ahmadinejad] is the one that I saw that reminded me of it, and just about the same beard.

MATTHEWS: Right.

SHARER: Had a little half-inch, quarter-inch growth.

MATTHEWS: I know what you mean.

(CROSSTALK)

SHARER: And the man on the left [ed: the old AP photo that we highlighted], there‘s too much facial hair to really look at.

So, it seems that even the person that we initially believed was Ahmadinejad in the 1979 AP photo was not him. However, the number of former hostages that say they recognize Ahmadinejad has gone from five to six.

San Francisco Gate :

Six former American hostages have said they recognized Ahmadinejad.

"As soon as I saw the face, it rang a lot of bells to me," Don Sharer of Bedford, Ind., told CNN. The former naval attache at the Tehran embassy said he was 99 percent sure of his identification. "When you're placed in a life- threatening situation of that nature, you just remember those things," he said.

Another former hostage, William J. Daugherty, a former CIA officer who now lives in Savannah, Ga., said he remembered Ahmadinejad "acting in a supervisory or leadership capacity" during the early weeks of his captivity.

Retired Col. David Roeder, 66, who was deputy Air Force attache at the embassy in 1979, has told reporters that Ahmadinejad watched as interrogators threatened to kidnap Roeder's handicapped son in the United States and mutilate him "if I didn't start to cooperate."

Daughtery, the sixth to make the allegations against Ahmadinejad, is a political science professor at AASU. WSAV:
In 1979, Dr. Daugherty was a young CIA agent. He was stationed in Tehran, the Iranian capital, when he and dozens of other Americans were captured and held for over a year. 25 years later, Dr. Daugherty says a familiar face from that time is now running Iran.

Last week Iranians picked a new president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Daugherty says he's sure he was one of his captors.

"This is him, he's clearly- uh you can see he's trying very hard to look menacing and threatening here, here he's looking much more relaxed but you see the similarities in the nose, in the chin, the hair line, the eyebrows."

Dr. Daugherty is a professor at AASU here in Savannah now, teaching political science. He says he's not surprised the new president of Iran is one of his former captors. He says others have held positions in the Iranian government.

The Iranian government says these men are not the same person, but Dr. Daugherty says he knows they are.

"When somebody takes your liberty, puts your life in danger, causes your family great agony and humiliates your country, you don't forget who that person is."

So, who is it that Daughtery is identifying in the old AP photo? It may be that he is wrong about the photo, but right about Mahmoud Ahmadinejad being involved. Remember, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's official biography claims that he was a founder and leader of the group that executed the embassy takeover, although it also claims he opposed the hostage taking. Several unofficial biographies, though, say that not only was he for taking the US embassy, but that he wanted to also take the Soviet embassy as well.

UPDATE: Bryan Williams compares terrorists to Founding Father's. Sure Bryan, the British could have called the Founding Father's terrorists, just like Pakistanis like to call Osama bin Laden a 'freedom fighter' and Michael Jackson called Lisa Marie 'wife'.

UPDATE II: It gets worse, much worse. In our original post we noted that several unofficial biographies of Ahmadinejad claimed he was directly involved with murdering Iranians at home and abroad. Check out this from Dafydd over at Captain Ed's who found more from Global Security:

With the formation of the elite Qods (Jerusalem) Force of the IRGC, Ahmadinejad became one of its senior commanders. He directed assassinations in the Middle East and Europe, including the assassination of Iranian Kurdish leader Abdorrahman Qassemlou, who was shot dead by senior officers of the Revolutionary Guards in a Vienna flat in July 1989. Ahmadinejad was a key planner of the attack. He was reported to have been involved in planning an attempt on the life of Salman Rushdie....

Ahmadinejad, an unabashed conservative, resurrected the fervor of the 1979 Islamic Revolution during the campaign by saying Iran "did not have a revolution in order to have democracy, but to have an Islamic government." Ahmadinejad had a bloody background. He was responsible for the execution of hundreds of dissidents after the war.

So, even if we do not have the photographic evidence that we once though, this man's background is questionable at best and murderous at worst. The best case scenario--that Ahmadinejad's denials of involvement in and opposition to the 444 day hostage ordeal turn out to be true--still leave us with a militant fascist Islamists with nuclear ambitions!

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Rusty appears to still be down ill

Well I've emaled Rusty again this AM. No response as of yet but maybe he will stir himself up and drop us a note later. Guest Posters have at it. I have maybe a few little items to post later. I'll try not to repeat my "OH MY GOD ITS DOWN" and post like a wild man. I think that response is due to 20 years working in DP 24/7. I've got that latest innovation a cell, phone provided by my fine employer that keeps me always on. It's just the culture. Remember the guy in Jurrasic Park trying to hack that morons password after he took the whole park down. Well that's me complete with mountian of cigarette buts. I run on Caffiene, Sugar, and cigarettes. So I get a bit wound up at times. Well except I'm not black or tall or good looking but you get the idea. If you readers have a subject think would make a good friday argument thread drop me a line.

UPDATE FROM RUSTY:

Bring out your dead!

I'm not dead yet.......

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Fox News: Justice O'Connor's Resignation Imminent

Fox News's Brian Wilson is currently on the phone live with the Fox News desk and has acknowledged that three independent sources that Justice O'Connor's resignation is going to happen. Brian Wilson speculated that there might be a letter to the White House en route.

More to Come...

Mary Katharine Ham says:

Just heard through the D.C. grapevine that Sandra Day O'Connor just retired. Very reliable source. I'll try to find more.

Updates will be seen at Conservative Thinking


Updated by Howie: I got a breaking news email from ABC confirming Justice O'Connor has retired.

http://abcnews.go.com/?CMP=EMC-1396

Update by Rusty: Er, uh, um-----ok, so I can't always be right!

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Saudis Issue 'Wanted Terrorist List'

(Riyadh, Saudi Arabia) A list of 36 wanted terrorist suspects along with a schedule of financial rewards has been issued by the Saudi Arabian Interior Ministry. Fifteen of the suspects are believed to be in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Twenty-eight of the 36 are Saudi citizens while the rest are scattered among Chad, Yemen, Kuwait, Mauritania, and Morocco. According to a statement released by the ministry, all 36 are al-Qaeda members wanted for terrorist acts inside the kingdom.

The reward scheme announced is generous.

Anyone providing information on any of the suspects that leads to the arrest of a suspect will receive SR 1million (US$266,000). If more than one suspect is arrested, the reward will be SR 5million (US$1. 3million). Reward for information that helps stop a terrorist operation is SR 7million (us$1.86 million).
To collect, one needs only to provide information that "leads to an arrest." There's no mention of prosecution or conviction.

With all the money being offered in bounties, i.e. $25 million just for Zarqawi, I'm surprised that there doesn't seem to be many people taking advantage.

Companion post at Interested-Participant.

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June 30, 2005

Taking Academic Freedom Too Far?

By Demosophist

The Academic Left's poster boy, Ward Churchill, advocates fragging "for peace." Well, we know there's no shame. But this can't help CU's fundraising or student recruitment very much. Are there any boundaries at all? I don't know, perhaps we don't want to stand in the way of people making complete fools of themselves and their ogranizations? But at some point won't well-meaning people start to think that if we don't draw the line somewhere, then maybe there's some flaw in the notion of patriotism, or the fight against totalitarianism? Won't they be justified in thinking we're not really serious? Is this a case of boiled frogs?

The irony is that I'll bet if someone advocated just beating the snot out of the guy he wouldn't hesitate to sue. (Hat tip: Instapundit)

(Cross-posted by Demosophist to Demosophia and Anticipatory Retaliation)

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Puke Blogging (UPDATED)

I'm getting sick. RS v. 1.5 has been throwing up for the past 4 days. Looks like it's my turn. If I'm not back in a couple of days notify the authorities. Tell them Scott Baio has pinkeye and is on the loose.

UPDATE 6/30: I'm feeling much better now. Thanks for all the well wishes. But last night.......... more...

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Baptism by fire : part II

Well first of all I would like to thank everyone bloggers and readers who took the time to send links and ideas. For me this site is all about getting to read Rusty and also read the comments of some of the brightest people I've seen. I started as a reader and I still consider myself to be just that. While I've been posting up here really it is all of you out there that make the site fun. So before I go a big thanks to everyone who has supported me. Rusty we all hope for your swift recovery.

Now one last thing. YBP wishes to discuss the very foundations of civilization. Since he sent links today I will oblidge him. And remember everyone watch the BP. It's the discussion that makes it cool. Let's not give ourselves a stroke now. I've got to go and do some real work too. I've been jumping back and forth so good afternoon all and....

Have a good one.

Link to the very foundations of civilization

Hat tip :YBP


Guest Posters: A big thanks to you too and feel free to continue as this will be the end of me for today.

Also for those bloggers that I referenced today. I'm still not up to speed on pings and trackbacks so my sincere apologies if I missed anyone or failed to do it correctly.


Updated : Rusty lives. I did get an email and Rusty says he feels a little bit better. I take that as was able to pull my head out of the bucket long enough to send an email. He says he probably will not blog today. Speedy recovery my master.

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Muslim nations vow to help end Iraq insurgency

I'll just say it's about time. I hope this comes to fruition.

"Ministers of member states of the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC) meeting in Yemen agreed to help "rebuild Iraq and enabling the Iraqi government to maintain security and stability," Yemeni Foreign Minister Abubakr al-Qirbi told reporters."

Full story here.


Hat Tip: YBP

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Time to release reporter notes

Also today we have the fact that Time magazine is going to turn over reporter notes. While the journalists have refused to reveal their source their employer has caved.

Hat Tip: See Dubya (your advice did help)

Atricle here.

Also blogger John Cole has a post on the issue.

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Ground zero reconstruction

Also today Michael L. Siegel has a discussion on the rebuilding in NY. Thanks Mike for sending the link. Osama may be interested. I'm trying to go quickly here as lunch is about over. Still more to come bit by bit.

Link to lawhawks post

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Baptism by fire

Whew where is Rusty when you need him huh?? Thanks for all the links and suggestions. I think I have enough to maybe get us through the day.


Michelle Malkin has a post on a Democratic poll showing that public support for Democrats is slipping faster than for Republicans.

Washington post story here.

Personally for me I think they pick the wrong arguments. The DSM issue for one makes me feel better. It's kind of like a space shot. You had better be thinking about it ahead of time. You can always abort at the last minute. And once the candle is lit, well there is no turning back. So the discussion of if would should have or not is dead to me. The candle is lit people.


Rusty seems to like Michelle so I think he would approve.

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